Enter your mobile number or email address below and we'll send you a link to download the free Kindle App. One cannot help but wonder whether the inspired revision did not have some impact on the Prophet’s thought regarding the nature of God; that is to say, if he did not know of the corporeality of God at the time of the First Vision, did he know it by the time he had translated these verses in John? This is a perplexing passage, perhaps one of the two most enigmatic passages of Lecture 5 [2], a segment of the lecture which seems to have resulted in confusion on the part of members and may have contributed eventually to the deletion of the Lectures on Faith from the Doctrine and Covenants in 1921. Makes you think more deeply about what faith means. In Lectures on Faith, Joseph Smith clearly states God is: “a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image;—he is also the express image and likeness of the personage of the Father: possessing all the fulness of the Father, or, the same fulness with the Father; being begotten of him, and was ordained from before the foundation of the world to be a propitiation for the sins of all those who should believe on his name, and is called the Son because of the flesh—and descended in suffering below that which man can suffer, or, in other words, suffered greater sufferings, and was exposed to more powerful contradictions than any man can be. [2] The other troublesome passage deals with the role of the Holy Spirit as the “mind” of the other two members of the Godhead (LF, 5:2), and will be discussed below.

Note the equation of spirit with light in the following verse from the Doctrine and Covenants: “For the word of the Lord is truth, and whatsoever is truth is light, and whatsoever is light is Spirit, even the Spirit of Jesus Christ” (D&C 84:45). How consoling to the mourner when they are called to part with a wife, mother, father, daughter, relative, to know that although the earthly tabernacle shall be dissolved that they shall be heirs of God and joint-heirs of Jesus Christ, to inherit the same power . .

I now have abandoned my unbelief and have even found the scriptures support what Joseph witnessed and taught.

This committee comprised of George F. Richards, Anthony W. Ivins, Melvin J. Ballard, James E. Talmage, John A. Widstoe, and Joseph Fielding Smith. . . But the Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and waiting to take to himself a body as the Savior did, or as God did, or the Gods before them took bodies” (Words, 382). (See History of the Church Volume 2 beginning at page 180. You are saying he is a certain kind of being with two attributes while Joseph described Him as a certain kind of being with three attributes/characteristics, and possessing all perfection and fulness.

This mind is theirs by the power of the Holy Ghost. His mind was opened by the visions of the Almighty, and the Lord taught him many things by vision and revelation that were never taught publicly in his days; for the people could not bear the flood of intelligence which God poured into his mind (Journal of Discourses, 5:83–84; hereafter JD). Thus the account indicates that after a marvelous vision “the presence of God withdrew from Moses, that his glory was not upon Moses” (v. 9). We are made privy to a divine Being who is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent [1]: he has all power, all knowledge, and is, by the power of his Spirit, everywhere present. In my view the Lectures on Faith have not received the positive attention they ought to have received by the Latter-day Saints. His knowledge of things—like that of all men and women—was often incremental, and his development in understanding was thereby accomplished in “line upon line” fashion. Hymns. 1980) 5:24–33. The Son (Christ) is a man, a ‘tabernacle of clay’.

And these three constitute the Godhead and are one” (LF, 5:2). They are the Father and the Son” (LF, 5:2). Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1985. I would recommend this book to any student of LDS history as well as those seeking a greater understanding of faith. [5] Elder McConkie has stressed that the fifth Lecture on Faith teaches “that we, as fallible, weak, mortal men—subject to all the ills, difficulties, and vicissitudes of life—have power to advance and progress and become like our exalted and eternal Father and his beloved Son.” It thus sets forth “the same doctrine that concludes, ‘As God now is, man may become.’ This thing was announced, in principle, in the School of the Prophets and did not have to wait for a King Follett sermon, although, I suppose, the Saints did not fully grasp what was involved in this language initially” (McConkie, “The Lord God of Joseph Smith” 5).

(By the way, the typesetting for the Lectures on Faith was larger, than in the rest of the Doctrine and Covenants, which ought to tell us something of the importance of the Lectures.) Manchester: W. R. Thomas, 1840. I never would have figured this stuff out on my own.

Furthermore, Joseph Smith said he would be called to answer and account for every principle advanced in the Lectures on Faith. As we will discuss later, what Joseph Smith knew and taught and what the Saints understood may be two different matters. You have got to learn how to be a God yourself and to be a king and priest to God, [the] same as all have done, by going from a small capacity to another, from grace to grace, until the resurrection, and sit in everlasting power as they who have gone before. without it. [5] Thus those who are entitled to membership in the “Church of the Firstborn” are not simply those who are members of the Lord’s earthly church, but rather those who with Christ become joint-heirs to all the Father has; they are entitled to all of the blessings of the Firstborn and thus inherit them as though they were the firstborn. A rational conception of His omnipotence is power to do all that He may will to do” (Talmage, 44).

Peter says that Jesus Christ sat on the right hand of God. Prime members enjoy FREE Delivery and exclusive access to music, movies, TV shows, original audio series, and Kindle books. These lectures are not Protestant: indeed, we learn of a truly infinite Being-a totally independent Being (see LF, 2:2) who possesses every godly attribute in perfection (see LF 3:12–24; 4:3–16, 19; 5:1). the e is no power, and without power, there could be no creation nor existence. Answer: Elder Orson Hyde added it to the Doctrine and Covenants in 1876. Or it may have been that he thought it unnecessary to make that distinction every time he spoke because he had made it before. Because Joseph Smith was given the mind of Deity, and because he was given the unique power and authorization of “expounding all scriptures” (see D&C 24:5, 9) unto the people of this dispensation, it is both fitting and proper that as we search and prayerfully consider matters pertaining to the Godhead, we give solemn and ponderous thought to insights provided by “the choice seer” of the last days. Is The Father a personage consisting of a body of “flesh and bones, as tangible as man’s?”.

As we shall discuss shortly, there was, no doubt, a significant chasm between what the Prophet knew and what the Saints knew, as well as between what the Prophet knew and what he taught. But notwithstanding all this, he kept the law of God, and remained without sin: Showing thereby that it is in the power of man to keep the law and remain also without sin. ... Lectures on Faith: The Influence of Sacrifice on One's Course in Life (Part 2) by BYU Religious Education. Bring your club to Amazon Book Clubs, start a new book club and invite your friends to join, or find a club that’s right for you for free. As such they are not just sons and daughters of Jesus Christ but sons and daughters of God, meaning the Father (see McConkie, Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 2:471–75; See also D&C 76:58). In order to navigate out of this carousel please use your heading shortcut key to navigate to the next or previous heading.

And he being the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, and having overcome, received a fulness of the glory of the Father—possessing the same mind with the Father, the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. However, gospel principles relating to the Plan of Salvation; the creation; family order, obligations, and accountability; and missionary work are so skillfully woven through the text that a cursory reading belies the depth of the doctrine. Reviewed in the United States on August 6, 2019. When a Prophet of God speaks of Faith and teaches all the world what God wants his children to know. Jesus Christ is said to have “received a fulness of the glory of the Father, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit that bears record of the Father and the Son” (LF, 5:2; emphasis added). This special edition of the Lectures on Faith from Zion's Camp Books is formatted for convenience on an ereader, with more than 100 internal links to scriptures and citations. It is the notion of the Father as a personage of spirit which is unsettling. a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness, possessing the same mind with the Father, which mind is the Holy Spirit, that bears record of the Father and the Son, and these three are one, or in other words, these three constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things. Lectures on Faith: Summary of the Lectures by BYU Religious Education. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account.

Simply stated, the ministry of Messiah was a life filled with irony. [3] Six weeks later “Joseph said concerning the Godhead [that] it was not as many imagined—three heads and but one body; he said the three were separate bodies” (Words, 63). ( Log Out / 

It quotes a false translation of the Bible. But notwithstanding all this, he kept the law of God, and remained without sin: Showing thereby that it is in the power of man to keep the law and remain also without sin. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. Those lessons were prepared for use in the School of Elders.

It describes faith like a magic power. The so what: So why is this important to sort out and make clear? The Lectures on Faith is the popular title of a set of seven theological lectures delivered in the School of the Elders in Kirtland, Ohio, in the winter of 1834–35. Again quoting from the Prophet: “They are the Father and the Son: the Father being a personage of spirit, glory, and power, possessing all perfection and fulness. A personage of spirit, as here used and as distinguished from the spirit children of the Father, is a resurrected personage. I highly recommend that you read it. Robert L. Millet, “The Supreme Power over All Things: The Doctrine of the Godhead in the Lectures on Faith,” in The Lectures on Faith in Historical Perspective, ed. .

Even though I've been LDS my entire life I've never read the Lectures on Faith all the way through. Thus it is that later in this lecture the Prophet says, “The Father and the Son possess the same mind, the same wisdom, glory, power, and fulness—filling all in all. Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1965–73. Then you can start reading Kindle books on your smartphone, tablet, or computer - no Kindle device required. Provo, UT: Brigham Young Univ, 1968.

Please try again. ... Lectures on Faith: The Influence of Sacrifice on One's Course in Life (Part 2) by BYU Religious Education. ———. Towards the bottom, you summarized that “In Lectures on Faith, Joseph Smith clearly states God is a Spirit of Glory and Power, and further that the Holy Spirit is the Mind of God.”. Rather than contradicting the Prophet—rather than concluding that Joseph did not preach something when he said he had—I choose to believe, with Elders Penrose and McConkie, that Joseph Smith did know the difference even though that difference is not clear in the records we have. 185 Heber J. The Son is called a “personage of tabernacle” here because his assignment on earth pertained to the redemption and regeneration of the flesh. Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1978. There is no other God in heaven but that God who has flesh and bones” (Ehat and Cook, Words of Joseph Smith, 60; hereafter Words).

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